Saturday, August 24, 2013

Alienated-Phoniness

So I think I am wrestling with my own ego in considering whether to actually post the various posts that I occasionally write here. I am a naturally cautious person and I have no real sense of the effect of just broadcasting my feelings, thoughts and understanding to an anonymous "public". There is always going to be something false and phony about anything that enters the prevalant the stream of "collective unconsciousness", especially via expected channels....

I feel a bit isolated and helpless but in a mild way...it feels that writing a blog is naive and useless and I don't really know how I could have thought that anything would come of it (if I did think anything would come of it).

... its also sort of weird and dissociated to see certain strangers on the street look at me in what seems to be a knowing way and not be sure whether or not it is because they have visited a page of yours...

....basically anyone professing or promoting healthy culture in the context of our normal media of communication has to begin with a lot of disclaimers since the very media being used is generally conveying a message very different than the one intended (as though one were to write "I Love you" on the baseball bat and then hit someone with it!).

My real message both to you and myself is that what we call civilization and its media (including the printed word) obscure our common sense (or sense of coexistence), cater to a kind of dualistic either/or "panic"- logic, through shaming and blaming among other things, inhibit coinference, conscience and communion, and generally foster and support the kind of alienated-phoniness and factional identity politics that are ubiquitous in a sick culture.

Moreover since I am a recovering "alienated-phony", myself  I don't always feel up to successfully dealing with the results of my contact with public/private culture....

None of this is necessarily any reason not to take that risk and try to use our media in a way that overcomes of subverts such tendencies, but evidently I don't have much confidence in the way I am going about doing that..

So why am I writing this? purely as a kind of therapy I guess...trying to clarify things to myself and practice communicating from the heart. And there is also still a lingering sense of responsibility, as a citizen-of-the-world and an adult,  to try get some of these ideas across...I mean the world needs these Ideas; people need a kind of compass, a way to properly coordinate their problems so that the solution to one problem doesn't end up reinforcing or even creating, other problems that were not being considered when they were "solving" the first one. They need a way of orienting themselves so that they may help themselves and each other to find  the path of recovery from this culture and to be able to continue on that path. Most of all they need the example of someone who is actually doing (or even genuinely trying to do) that. So far as  I know I am the only one with anything close to something that fills this bill....

 So here we go again. below is the table describing individual-personhood that your will find elsewhere in this blog.


Individual (Inner Relationship) Person (Outer Relationship) Time Orientation
Mind (Inner Adult) Citizen-of-the-World Future
Heart (Inner Child) Neighbor Past
Body (Inner Animal) Family-Member Present
Intuition (Inner Elder) Soul/"Religious" venue Eternity


What I mean to say now is that the this concept of Individual-Personhood is in some ways a kind of "Ideal Type", at least its not the case that Individual-Personhood actually is consciously realized by anybody in a healthy way these days. I mean, both the Individual and and Personal (inner and outer) relationships actually pertain for everybody, but the conditions of our present sick culture are such that it is basically impossible to be in a consistently Healthy Inclusive and coordinated relationship either within ourselves or with others. For the time being I will refer to the imbalanced, dissociated and unhealthy state of affairs of both our inner and outer relationships as Dysmutuality  and say that Inner or Individual dysmutuality ("vertical dysmutuality") is another name for what I call Alienation, and Outer or Personal dysmutualtiy ("horizontal") is marked by what I call Phoniness, so that, though we each have the intrinsic relationships and responsibilities of Individual-Persons, we are all basically failing to live up to this  and instead show up basically as various kinds of Alienated-Phony. This is also true of myself I must confess, so that the only difference between me and everybody else is that most of the time I am a "Recovering Alienated Phony" (at least I believe I have found the path of recovery) and not one in Denial like everybody else I know anything about. (Perhaps even this sounds arrogant, but this is my honest experience so there it is....)


But more about alienated phonies. Alienated Phoniness, like Individual-Personhood, is a kind of Yin Yang concept so its pointless to try to differentiate Alienation and Phoniness absolutely since they mutually define, support, and even contain each other, such that wherever you find one you'll find the other. Nevertheless It might be useful (or just necessary) get at the idea by treating them separately at first (at least to some extent).

People tend to be more alienated in private and more phony in public. You could even say that both the public and private venues of our culture are intrinsically unhealthy and engender phoniness and alienation respectively. You could say that the public venue is anti-individual in the sense that it seems to inhibit authentic individuation by obliging everyone to accept phony factional identity "uniforms" of race, gender, nationality, and in general to act as though complicated things were simple. In the same way you could say that the private venue is anti-personhood because it keeps people isolated from each other (the rationalizations here usually amount to making simple things seem complicated) so that all feeling of familial, local, civil, or spiritual conviviality is basically thwarted.




As an example of public phoniness I will use the Idea of Gender.

Consider this analogy: If the masculine is Yang and the feminine is Yin then the relation of Yin/Yang (in which there is a some masculine in the feminine and some feminine in the masculine) makes it true that there is and can be no pure masculine or  feminine. More importantly, to the extent that these relative genders correspond to certain pairs of Yang and Yin qualities, (for example "activity" for yang/male and "passivity" for Yin/female), it seems clear that it would be good to be able to be active or passive as an intelligent response to what a given situation requires and that any such intelligent response is going to be inhibited by Identifying as either Yang (Male) or Yin (Female). It would be like trying to ride a bike by Identifying not as the rider primarily but with say, the right side of the bike, so that, no matter what the terrain or the needs of the journey one feels that need always to tilt and turn to the right since one has Identified with that side. Wouldn't it be better to actually identify as the rider of the bike and cultivate the ability to go left or right as it seems appropriate? Likewise wouldn't it be wise to actually Identify as something that transcends masculine or feminine so as to be able to cultivate the facility of being "Yinlike" or "feminine" or "Yanglike (masculine)--or some appropriate combination--as the situation requires? You will object that psychophyiology is naturally asymmetrical in human beings unlike in a bicycle, but to this I argue that brain chemistry function and hormones follow behavior as much as they engender it  (no pun intended). See for example the various books about neuroplasticity (for example "The Brain That Changes Itself"). Moreover, even if your bike was "naturally" lobesided, wouldn't the thing to do be to learn to specifically tilt more to the lighter side so as to be able to still maintain balance?

The real reason we do not act as Individual-Persons who are free to spontaneously express masculine or feminine qualities as seems appropriate to the situation, but rather choose to identify in an "either/or" manner as Men or Women" is Phoniness, engendered by the Trauma of formal and informal education into this sick culture.  In the absence of support for, or even understanding of, individual-personal development in particular and the principle of Coidentity (about which more later) in general, the child is basically forced to identify with the side of their nature thought to correspond with the kind of genitalia they possess. Being  a creature of Attachment, the child is thus forced into a kind of self betrayal and self censorship in exchange for at least the semblance of being accepted and loved. Over time they  become so inwardly alienated from their whole selves that their gender role does not even feel phony to them anymore. This inner alienation from and denial of the "inner-other" can even take the form of surgery in which an attempt is made to completely extirpate any sign of the offending gender from the body.  Some of this is perhaps an over simplification for the sake of clarity but I think you get the picture.

Its worth noting in the above how inner alienation (alienation from ones own inner yin if "male" or yang if "female", and from recourse to an intragendered grey area or continuum for both) results in a phony public gender identity; a kind of factional-identity-uniform which collectively and individually takes the place of the individual poise and strength of character needed to actually be oneself; to be in touch with and  manifest ones own individual-personhood without fear of loss of acceptance. Of course when what is being accepted is not ones real selfnature but ones Phony self-image, perpetual dissatisfaction and insecurity (whether conscious or unconscious) will be the necessary result.

There are of course forms of Feminism that rail against the effects of gender and its phoniness proffering some version of "humanism" in its stead. I think however that the identity of a "Human" is also factional alienated and phony (at least in practice). I think that if our inner animal (the body) is to be fully included and a personal relationship with the nonhuman beings fostered, some thing like Individual-Personhood, rather than "Humanism" is more appropriate. Humanism also seems to exclude, (because of its materialist "enlightenment" origins, the idea of the "Inner Elder" or Intuiition, along with its corresponding soulful/spiritual/religous social venue and this will also not do. I also feel that the relationships and responcibilies implicit in Individual-Personhood are more clear and valuable then those implied in the identity politics of Humanism...



As an example of Private Alienation i will use the idea of Property, or Ownership in the sense of belonging-to and contrast it with an Individual-Personal conception of property as "belonging-with".

This idea of "belonging-with" is a reference to a conception of property based on ones implicit Personal responsibilities to ones familial, local, civil and "spiritual" venues which of course one cannot fulfill unless one  has a healthy relationship inwardly, that is with oneself as an individual. Something (or someone) belongs-with me (and me with it) to the extent that we mutually and progressively facilitate a shared healthy culture. Belonging-With is a kind of shared belonging which works sort of like the dabs of color on a beautiful painting; each color belongs-with, sets-off, ornaments each of the others as well as the picture as a whole and this can be so even though two given dabs may not be in proximal relationship on the canvas. In the same way the check list for Individual-Personal belonging-with is not only whether a given association facilitates healing/recovery in a proximal Familial social venue, but also if it can be seen to help the Neighborhood, the larger Civil community and facilitate a life that is meaningful and progressive in terms of ultimate things ("Spiritual" venue) . Of course belonging-with must also be justified in terms of a given associations facilitation of ones own progressive Individuation, of ones own progressive recovery from the sick culture of alienated phoniness.  This means that the association must not only nourish my Mind, but also my heart, body, and intuition/conscience in some way. This may seem a tall order but the wholeness of the individual-person --and the nature of true health itself--makes it likely or even necessary that what truly belongs with me in one respect will (while this is the case) be justifiable in all of the others as well due to the fact the none of the facets of individual-personhood are fundamentally separate from each other.

It remains to be said that a state of belonging-with is never perpetual but is both achieved and modified by ongoing inner and outer conference which is the fundamental social hygiene upon which a healthy culture is based. You may say, for example, that a contract or agreement as to a given state of "Belonging-with", in such a culture is itself a living thing which must be periodically "fed" with a kind of fair and inclusive  conference (which might result in the consensual alteration of the state of affairs in the light of changed circumstances).  If such an agreement is not regularly "fed" in this way, it would ultimately be pronounced legally "Dead" from starvation in a healthy culture. Of course the conferential process that secures belonging-with must also be of good quality as well as good frequency (that is; the conferential process must be really inclusive, fair and non-coerced) or else the same contract or agreement may be again pronounced dead or terminally ill and so void, in this case because of  "malnutrition". 

In contrast to all of this, Belonging-To (that is, the normal conception of property in a sick culture), is a unilateral (and so dysmutual) relationship that in general is both established and maintained through inner and outer coercion, dissociation, exclusion and alienation.

Inwardly, the prevalent  "Rational Actor Theory" of modern  economics  privileges not only mind, but a certain  dissociated kind of mind,  over Heart, Body, and Intuiton.These latter three aspects of the individual are not expected to confer with the "rational mind" as equals, but rather to defer to it as to a tryrant. Thus we already have a kind of inner Dysmutuality and alienation that can only inhibit individuation.

This tyranny of the  mind happens in large part because the mind in question--the so called "rational" mind or the rational actor is really a mind distorted by a Logic of Identity rather than a Logic of Coindentity. I will say much more about this latter kind of Logic in a future post, but suffice it here to say that a logic of identity is a logic of exclusion which supports an economics of exclusion while the logic of Coidentity is a logic of inclusion with supports an economics and general culture of inclusion. I think that Logic is more or less like the DNA of a culture and when that logic is damaged (usually by inter and intragenerational violence in the form of child abuse and war respectively) then a kind of cultural mutation takes place in the direction of malignacy. But more on this later.

While it is true that people do not always, or even usually act as rational actors, even in a capitalist economy they do usually act in terms of some kind of logic of exclusion even though the groups being excluded vary in size and composition.

All of this leads to irresponsible and alienated behavior in which our intrinsic relationships and responsibilities as family-members, neighbors, citizens-of-the-world, and souls are denied, excluded, externalized, betrayed owning to our insistence on considering ourselves "Individuals" without "Personhood" that is, as essentially separate and atomized beings (or even groups of beings) relating to the world and each other only unilaterally through relationships of control or of property in the sense of Belonging-To. Economic activities such as exchange, renting, trade, and even barter and "giving" all presuppose some degree of such inner and outer alienation on the part of all involved because they propose to change only one form of alienated and phony "belonging-to" into another.

Moreover this feeling of being a totally or primarily separate individual, which amounts to alienation, is also Phony in the sense of being, like gender, a social pose inculcated by traumatic and manipulative aspects of education (by education I mean both the informal and formal transmission of culture across the generations). Emotionally a sense of a primarily isolated and separate self is provoked by rewards and punishments as well as competition (see Alfie Kohn's many books). While inwardly, "Common sense" as the sense that is the common ground of the 5 senses (this is an ancient meaning of that phrase), and which I describe as the sense of Coexistence, is thwarted in many ways by diet and environments and practices. Of course nothing could be so antagonistic to (or healing for) a sense of alienation and primary separateness of self then a visceral  and primary sense of Coexistence.

There will be more of Coexistence (more of what I am calling "Coexistentialism") in a future post as well.



Anyway so much for my examples of Phoniness and Alienation. I am tired of writing or I would go on to try to show how to be functioning in the present sick culture is basically to be an Alienated-Phony so that the only real difference between people is the extent to which they are in Recovery at any given moment or in denial. I am not aware that this specific concept of alienated phoniness exists anywhere else. If it is generally valid then it means that conscious recovery of individual-personhood (conscious recovery as recovering alienated phonies) is possible now for the first time (in history at least).

I will try to share my experiment is such a project of recovery in future posts...


All for now...

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Postscript


It makes sense, in the light what I have said of of the inseparability of alienation and phoniness, to try to show the interrelatedness of Phony Gender and Alienated Property/Ownership in the above two examples, so I will try to do a little bit of that now.

Of course The communist Idea (via Engles and others) is (as I remember it) that the property relationship of belonging-to is a function of Patriarchy  and the patriarchal Familial structure in which men claimed exclusive ownership of women as a way, among other things, of ascertaining and claiming similar ownership of children (especially of a male heir to property).

There is no critique of the idea of gender perse in this, and the form of property suggested by this communist approach in general seems only to prescribe  a replacement of "Private" belonging-to with of "Public" or Collective belonging-to rather than a transcendent replacement of the Public and Private Belonging-To relation itself with Individual-Personal Belonging-With.

I think that these two facts; that neither Gender itself nor the unilateral relation of "Belonging-To" of property are challenged in the communist model, are related, and I think the relationship has to to with, among other things, the issue of Sexuality as it relates to that of gender and to that of property.

In a previous post I outlined (or at least alluded to) a form of sexuality consistent with Individual-Personhood and so capable of healing/transcending both the phoniness of Gender and the Alienation of Private Property. I will go into this further here in order to shed light on the present issue.

Some people might not even be able to conceive of sexuality without gender, but it seems obvious to me that two Individual-Persons might encounter each other and be attracted to each other as such. Or rather, its probably better to say that two Recovering Alienated Phonies could encounter each other and be attracted to each other in ways that include sexual interest. However, this mutual attraction, in the case of those in recovery will be between to whole individuals (mind to mind, heart to heart, body to body and intuition to intuition and the "imaginative surmise" that is comprised in the attraction will involve an intention of using sexuality for mutual and inner and outer healing as whole persons rather than the kind attraction based on"possession". "conquest", and "exploit" that comes about in the normal, more or less dissociated experience of lust.

In normal "orgasm seeking" sex, the other tends to be  more or less just a means to the end of the dopamine high produced by this experience (addiction to which is, like all forms of addiction, a kind of temporary anesthetic relief to an essentially painful and meaningless life that usually amounts a kind of slavery). Orgasm is a kind of dissociation in the same way that identity (rather than coidentity) is a dissociation and this is evinced by the fact that the actual individual-person in front of you (on top of you, beneath you, whatever) is not even usually necessary for the experience and can often even get in the way of it with their ontologically stubborn insistence on being a real "intergendered" person suffering from sick culture and not some fantasy of absolute masculinity or femininity. Of course faking and lying (both to oneself and to the other) is more or less essential to such alienated-phony sex by definition since lying to, censoring ,or consciously or unconsciously excluding of parts of oneself is more or less the same as self alienation and lying etc to and for the other is more or less the same as phoniness...

Thus the familiar ritual of  mutual faking and mutual insecurity in which phony Manhood Meets phony Womanhood for an experience of phony Intimacy and (when it happens) phony transcendence (and my claim here is that orgasm is phony transcendence even when it is not faked and even on the rare cases that it is mutual--or rather-simultaneous. (I call real transcendence "Cotranscendence", about which more in another post...)

But it is still not clear what "Property" or belonging-to has to do with this sort of thing, although the words "conquest" and "possession" already mentioned are highly suggestive.  I think this can be better explained by sharing more of the alternative model of Individual-Personal sexuality.

Individual-Personal sexuality is really "healing sexuality" or "recovery sexuality" and is motivated by the ("cointegrative") intention of both inner and outer healing. Thus one is motivated to be with the other intimately because ones intuition, mind, heart, and body concur that such consensual healing intimacy can/will be part of  that recovery. That is, one has something approaching "inner consensus" that one "Belongs-With" the other individual-person (and visa versa) in  such a practice of mutual healing and recovery, or at least that this possibility is worth investigating.  And this kind of belonging-with, once established, is, like every other kind, something that needs to be updated regularly through outer as well as inner conference. Of course the  kind of inner/outer "consensuality" that I am talking about is itself an intimate conspiracy against gender and the unilateral control and use implied in possession and conquest (and every other kind of phoniness and ego-alienation), rather then a celebration of them. Thus those involved (because they really are fully involved) treat each other as both incipiently individuated and whole beings that are ends in themselves as well as in a way that is mindful of the relationships and responsibilities of Personhood. The goal here is the cultivation of common sense (the sense of coexistence), conscience and compassion, awakening, and inclusive unconditional love and the transcendence and healing of the ego in all its forms...

What is important here so far as property goes, is that in neither motivation nor execution are we involved in any kind of self or other commodification/objectification. When we are not primarily alienated from ourselves and phony with others we are cultivating  "belong-with" ourselves and others, that is we are authentically involved the recovery of our distinctive mutuality, and shared SelfNature as Individual-Persons. Commodities are essentially alienated and phony entities produced to satisfy with "possession-of" that which can only be satisfied by belonging-with. The situation is the same as with the rest of capitalism; "Demand" is Addiction (to a kind of anesthesia) because "Supply" (the labour involved in filling the demand) is misery (a kind pain). The phoniness and self alienation that people go through to fulfill the demands of the gendered and image-based "relationship-market" involves an anxiety and pain that can only be (however temporarily) repressed by a "success" or "profit" in that market though the pains are actually augmented by such "success" perhaps even more than by failure or loss. Thus the social market equally runs on such alienation, phoniness (including the phoniness of denial) and the perpetual insecurity that results from them. Its all kind of social and erotic ponzi-scheme that just goes along with the economic ponzi scheme that is capitalism itself. The only thing wrong with that analogy is that it doesn't make clear the fact that the joke (both economically and erotically) is equally on everybody in on the scheme, including the original schemers...

Thus  Belonging-With is Inclusive Shared Belonging that is not private in its conception--or rather, the criteria for  belonging-with each other in this specific practice is Personal as well as Individual. In other words, ones motive for doing this at all includes doing it in such a manner as to be a healthier and more complete, authentic and responsible family-member, neighbor, citizen-of-the-world, and soul; to bring healthy culture to world outside oneself as well as to each other. It is again like a painter putting a dab of color on a big canvas with an eye to not only its appropriateness vis-vis the colors adjacent; but to so that the colors ornament not only each other but those father away and indeed the entire painting considered as a whole. The "Belonging-with" of the two proximal colors can only be gauged or realized in the context of all the other colors and shapes in the painting as a whole both near and distant.The main difference here is that one must account for the fact that the whole "Painting" is really a "movie" that is always changing in different places and at different speeds though the essentials remain the same, so that the color will be often in need of "touching up" (I am not quite satisfied with this metaphor but will let it stand for now).

This is not an arbitrary or even essentially altruistic or idealistic motive; we all have within us an "inner animal" that is interested in healthy Familial environment in the present,  an "inner-adult" that is motivated by civility and the future, and inner-child that is motivated ay adventurous delight in the beauty of the "village it takes" to raise it, and we all have an inner-elder that is interested in soulful connections with others that nourish spiritual growth and healing.  Moreover, in the kind of "inner household"  of child, adult, elder and animal, that I am describing as an "Individual", the unhappiness of one member of the household is going to effect the whole, so that, for example, a way of pleasing the inner adult that excludes or repress the interests the inner animal, child and elder is not really possible; the "pleasure" of the inner adult would be an inwardly alienated, then therefore, phony pleasure. What I am saying here is that this kind of inclusive inner wholeness and healing  is not the stuff anyone is "supposed" to want; its the stuff everyone would realize they do  want  and need if they could just come off it with themselves and with each other...


  At any rate, such healing sexuality as I am describing is therefore not an inwardly alienated and outwardly phony act but an "Individual" and Personal act, not only because it is not conceived and enacted in an inwardly exclusive spirit but because the inner inclusivity implies and outer inclusivity as well.  What I hve call "Consensuality" can not be a private act because we are not essential private, and so alienated, individuals. However it is not a "public" act either, since it is being done in such a way as to challenge both the false "we" of public, shared phoniness as well as the false "I" of private alienation. This last statement is worth emphasizing since, at least in theory,  its easy to confuse personal belonging-with (in which the "we" is inclusive) and public belonging-to in which the "we" is an alienated-phony and factional "we" and one ends up with a concept and practice of more widely shared, phoniness and alienation. To reverse a false binary is not to transcended it but just to strengthen it  whether the binary is the male/female one or the pubic/private one.

But I think that the relation of gender to property still needs some more explaining. What does Belonging-To (whether public or private) have to do with the phoniness of gender? If it is the primacy of this mutually exclusive either/or binaries, whence does this come and what, besides orgasm, does sex have to do with it?

Catherine Mackinnon sources the power of and pathology of gender norms in the suppressed or unconscious experience of child abuse of a sexual kind. I agree with this to a large extent but think its necessary to clarify first the effect of violence (or even chronic stress) on a child and then go on from this to the effect of specifically sexual violence.

Violence provokes fear of course and fear puts one in the fright (reptilian) and fight-or -flight (lower mammalian), part of the brain and basically paralyzes the higher mammalian and distinctively human parts of the brain associated with free inquiry, real and undistorted relating, learning etc (all of which require the relative absence of fear to function properly). I think that in a developing child enough violence or stress could have the effect of stunting (at least in some areas)  full maturity into human adult functioning so that the consciousness is still stuck in the "Fright" mode and more often in the Emotional binary of Fright or Flight.

My idea is that when this happens in our society, on top of this now dominant emotional fear-based  binary is mapped, as the child grows up, various other binaries  (Actually this emotional false binary is very closely related with an equally primitive pathological binary in the realm more of sensation than of emotion, namely the sense of of "self-or-other"; the felt-sense of  alienated existence, which is really a kind of numbness to the felt-sense of "self-and-other"; that is, of essential coexistence" which would be the norm in a healthy culture) .  A much later false binary overlay is our present alienated and trauma-induced either/or form of Logic (which I elsewhere call "Panic Logic" for this reason). A little thought will make clear that the relation of property in the from of belonging to is, also essentially binary in this exclusive way...

And of course another of these binaries is the gender binary of male Or female. One can now imagine a physically adult, but emotionally and sensually stunted, alienated-phony "individual" suffering especially greatly from these violence and trauma induced binaries, basically going crazy and , probably with the help of drink or other drugs, disowning, repressing and dominating "his" own inner feminine and "acting out" this self dissociation/alienation on others "weaker" and so more "feminine" then "himself".  In these others ("wife", children etc) this trauma induced confusion and dichotomizing alienation is, in our imagined example, mixed with the experience of sex and sexual violation, resulting in the common dichotomy-contaminated and so gendered, sexual identity politics founded in trauma and based ultimately on fear and inner and outer alienation.

Of course not everyone is sexually abused as a child, but my point is that the dynamic is really founded on violence and undue stress, and so, once a society becomes based on a dynamic of violence (through the social traumas of war and dislocation) a selection pressure begins to favor the "success" of those whose imbalance in this emotionally dichotomous respect extended to gender, establishing a collective norm to which others will be socially intimidated to conform. In other words once society has mutated in this malignant way, the more intimately dissociated  and insecure one is, the more likely one is to succeed in the context of the now alienated social, economic and legal norm and then contribute to helping intensify and extend those coercive, alienating, norms....

In short (and extremely oversimplified): violence and trauma lead to fight-or-flight dynamic and either/or sense of existence, which leads to either/or logic generally; which leads to either/or identity politics, which lead to either/or conceptions such as gender and property, which in turn are reinforced strengthened and sexualized, via correspondingly unhealthy conceptions and forms of sexuality, all as aspects of alienated phoniness and  sick culture generally. But this "Leads to" thing is really much too linear; what is happening is really more of a synergistic (or better "synentropic") dynamic....


{I am not quite satisfied with this postscript. Its alright so far as it goes but I've missed something important about self/other-objectification and self/other-commodification as they relate to both gender and property as aspects of alienated phoniness. I could have also have made things more clear by introducing the concept of conscience (individual) as the inner aspect of the more personal or outer conference....And now various other ways to possibly make what I am saying clearer come belatedly to mind but, I think they will have to wait for future posts as this one seems long enough}

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Monday, April 23, 2012

Good Sense and the Meaning of Life


THE MEANING OF LIFE

Whether or not we choose to accept it, we are all Philosophers and have some working hypothesis regarding the Meaning of Life that, however unconsciously, guides our actions. To regard Life as "meaningless" is as much a philosophical and even religious position as any other on the subject. To say that the question is unimportant is to make a value judgment that is guided by some conception of Truth, importance, reality, and meaning. Perhaps we avoid going into the matter because of the dread that our working answers to such questions of ultimate meaning are not substantial or sturdy enough to withstand much scrutiny and that the real Truth about the matter (which we all think we "know" at some level) is unbearable. And perhaps some eschew or abandon conscious inquiry because an intuitive despair of finding an answer that would make any difference or do any good. But, as we will see, Cointegrative Science, involves a theory as to this question of the Meaning of Life that is not only intuitively, emotionally, and empirically obvious, but surprisingly has much potential for making a difference and doing some good.

"When the shoes fit, the foot is forgotten; when the belt fits, the belly is forgotten. The essence of this observation by the Taoist sage Chang Tzu, when translated into the cognitive idiom of the West, is the concept of "Wholesthesia" or "the relative silence of health". As with the shoes and the belt, so with a well "fitting" or functioning organ, muscle, or cell in a living human being. The conscious awareness or sensation of any such parts of ourselves is usually (though not always) a sign of some relative problem or malfunction in that area, where as our relative forgetfulness of them is generally a sign of their healthy functioning.  All of this is a fact or every day experience.

Why not call this state of affairs "Homeostasis" as modern medicine does, and drop the neologism? Because the phenomenological approach of the concept of "Wholesthesia" points up, in its logical implications, profound and until now, collectively unconscious truths that the other terminology obscures. The word "wholesthesia", which has the etymological meaning of "complete" ("holos") sense perception ("aesthetikos") reveals, like some proof of socio-psychoanalysis, the Freudian –or perhaps I should say "Jungian"—slip of our collective unconscious involved in the currency and use of word "anesthesia". This word has the etymological meaning of "without" ("an") "sense perception" and relates to what might be called the "relative silence of sickness." This is because the lack of feedback involved is, far from being a sign of health, usually a suppression of information to the contrary.

What can we make of these concepts and how can we relate these two phenomena? Well, in modern medicine there is the recognized (though of course dreaded) progression of local anesthesia to general anesthesia and possibly leading to coma and even to death as numbness and the chemicals inducing it, is made or mistakenly allowed to effect progressively deeper levels of the organism. This, of course, is a dynamic of disintegration.

It is possible though, through recourse to the "opposing" concept of Wholesthesia, to map out a dynamic or process of cointegration in the opposite direction through a kind of inverse analogy:

The phrase "Local Wholesthesia," to begin this analogy, is meant to describe the relative silence of health, as it exists in all of us, as described above, in those local and relatively circumscribable areas of our bodies of which we are relatively unconscious. A relatively healthy liver, for example.

From local wholesthesia we can infer the possibility of "General Wholesthesia". This refers to a general state of physical "Lightness" and effortless functioning that begins to involve the whole of the physical organism in a more inclusive way. To be sure, the experience of this rare state in comparison to a previous one of less than healthy functioning will be very noticeable at first. However this awareness and appreciation is up held more by memory and imagination, and by its alterations with local Wholesthesia, than by any essentially "positive" quality of the state of being itself, and my be expected to pass after a given time.

Just as the application of General Anesthesia can go awry, so that the patient in an operation slips into coma or "sleep", so can the state of General Wholesthesia, as it penetrates more deeply into the nervous system, lead to what may be called "Phenomenesthesia" or "Awakening." I infer this state to be sense of the totality of phenomena from a center, which has ceased to be the relatively unconscious one of the "ego" and to have become the relatively conscious one of the Soul (am tempted to speak of ego-body and Soul-Body here because I am anxious that neither of these words be understood in a pure psychological or subjective sense; both Ego and Soul are meant be understood as expression of the Mind-Body and not just the "Mind").
But to extending our inverse analogy; the chief difference between coma and Death is that coma is a possibly reversible state of affairs whereas Death by definition is not. Precisely the same distinction can be made between Phenomenesthesia (or "Awakening") and Numinesthesia (or "Life"). The experience of awakening can be temporary. The individual may fall back into a closed unconcious state and forget his or her Soul-Nature almost completely. But the conscious experience of Life is understood as an abiding sense of the Numinous "Whatness" of Being that is somehow permanent and irreversible. To be Alive is to be in the presence of The Ultimate, The Holy, in a conscious way. A state of mystical awareness is being experienced by that is paradoxically consistent with the limitations of everyday life. This is to Live out of in ones Soul.

And does the process end there? The state of conscious awareness of Spirit, of the Presence of "God" is not the same as Union with that Presence. Soul is not the same as Self-Nature and even this is not quite Freedom or Spirit. In this manifestation of SelfNature, embodied soul is presumably fully realized and transcended leaving only that which is purely Self and so also Purely Nature and which is the individuation of the Tao, the Great Mystery, The Freedom which transcends Identity and even entity. Freedom is arbitrarily predicable and it is unpredictable and yet Freedom and Life are the "strange attractors" and final cause of all evolution and of the world itself. And to say even this about it is perhaps to say too much.

To summarize so far: just as there is a progression from local Anesthesia, to General Anesthesia, to Coma, to Death, so also is there a progression from Local Wholesthesia to General Wholesthesia to Awakening (Phenomenesthesia) to Life (Numinesthesia). And beyond (as well as within) all this there is Freedom or Spirit as something like the immanent/transcendent final cause and ultimate source of all of the above. To experience mostly only ego is to be only unconsciously aware of all of this. To be in any given moment consciously aware of all of this is to be, relatively speaking, in ones awakened Soul. To be stabilized in this Soul-Nature is to be Alive. To progress in ones Soul-nature is to progressively realize (or be realized by) SelfNature, which is the Door to Spirit or Freedom itself.

GOOD SENSE

In the light of all this we might regard our normal state of being as manifestly somnambulant amnesia, dissociation and only rudimentary consciousness. We exist for the most part in an unhealthy and unconscious "synthesis" of the "thesis" of anesthesia and "antithesis" of wholesthesia, which is, not stable synthesis but rather a dialectic of progressive degeneration. To become conscious and sensible of this condition is already to partially transcend it and enter a dynamic of cointegrative, conscious, and healing synthesis, which is nevertheless also of both wholesthesia and anesthesia. This sensibility intuits, feels, and understands the reality of Life and Freedom as ultimate goals as well as their reality in the here and now of a specific situation. It is a progressive intellectual moral and physical reorientation and an indwelling confirmation of Healthy Knowledge. This sensibility and understanding is the opening of the ego-body to the Soul-nature that is none other than the Good Sense of our title.

If Anesthesia is "Nonsense" and Wholesthesia is "Complete Sense", than "Good Sense" (tentatively "Enaesthesia"), is that sensibility that recognizes and welcomes them both and yet distinguishes them from each other. It does this in the context of what we have said of their ultimate implications all well as in the context of everyday life. It is the innate understanding of the Soul active  even in the ego in each real and definite everyday situation. Good Sense  does not exclude nonsense (anesthesia), which it intuitively understands as a necessary and even essential aspect of what is recognized to be the beings evolution toward Spirit. It is the healthy instinct/intuition to aim for an overall predominance of wholesthesia over anesthesia in the context of the peculiarities of the individual Soul-nature and situation. Abstractly and morally, the intention is to move toward greater wholesthesia and Life. Practically and ethically the dynamic is more sophisticated and evolves a kind of "beating to windward"; a balancing of exigent "weaknesses" and limitations against strengths and possibilities in an ultimately progressive way.

This more sophisticated existential dynamic involves the coordination and balancing of attention to the future, the past, and the eternal with and in the present moment. It is an improvisational sensibility that makes good use even of mistakes, which are in fact indispensable to its manifestation. For without the recognition of the redeeming complementarity and preexistent paradoxical synthesis of nonsense (anesthesia) and complete sense (wholesthesia) in real experience, Awakening, Life, and Freedom would be Meaningless even as ideal orienting types, because one "could not get there from here". Good Sense is this sense of the mutuality and presence of the remembering of Healthy Knowledge even within our forgetfulness of it, and as such it is the most indispensable of sensibilities.

And of course, as with all the Theories of Cointegrative Science, I think we all really already know all of this, at least deep down in our souls we do. That is just the point. Nevertheless, we seem to need a more formal reminder every now and then, hence this post.

The relatively unconscious, relatively anesthetic ("Mal-aesthetic" really) nature of the modern/post-modern science, diet, medicine, architecture, -- of the modern/post-modern world in general-- is too much to go into in a brief essay. But the prescription for all of these disintegrating fields of activity is the same; it is that of Good Sense in the light of Cointegrative Science. Again, by such Good Sense I mean the sense, not only of the current numbness under which the jewels of Life and Freedom are buried but also the equally strong sense of the very real presence of the jewels there nevertheless (And be assured that they are there, for if they were not within us at some deep level then we would literally be dead.) and the gratitude and resolve that come with this. And by such Good Sense I mean a consciousness and embracing of our our sick culture that can only be effected by truly Healthy Culture. Such Good sense, is the sense of Togetherness; the balanced, paradoxical dance of the awareness; the inclusive welcoming of both realities in the service of progressive healing and aliveness.

And such Good Sense also implies Good Taste, the taste or sensibility of such paradoxical togetherness and the ability to discern the relatively beautiful, healthy, and appropriate in the context of Mutuality and of Ultimate as well as more immediate truth.

And it implies Good Will, the cointegrative, willed affirmation and acknowledgment of essential Togetherness and the intention toward its increasing realization both inwardly and in outward practical and world affairs.; a will to inner and outer Life and Freedom in the light of Life Truth that implies conscious understanding and moral commitment to the great Theme of our collective existence as well as its variations in cultural and individual manifestation.

And it implies Good Faith, a Living Faith in Togetherness, which (because it is alive) involves a constant checking of any Belief (including the theories of Integral Science) against the inner consensus of ones intuition, heart, mind and body as to its Living Truth and value, with an eye to either its reformulation or its replacement with something else. It is faith in the existence of some healing and useful shared understanding of reality and a commitment to critical participation in the best that we have yet found.


The role of Death in evolution is to provoke individuals and species toward Life and Freedom. We are going to die anyway but be are not going to "Live" anyway, in the present (new and also very old) sense of the word. To seek death is to be in a state of unconsciousness that is not worthy of our humanity—it is to seek nothing at all. To seek Life and Freedom with humility, humor, wonder, and gratitude is our common privilege as beings that are going to die. Whether or not we succeed in taking advantage of this opportunity is ultimately not in our hands but to make the attempt is the only gesture that is consistent with sapience, with true happiness, and with Good Sense.

P.S.

I shared the above post with someone (a self described "Philosopher") who labeled it as "new age", I guess because of so much mention of things like "soul" and Spirit. I think if I had avoided such simple words and used only the long winded neologisms I came up with, the whole thing would have got a better review. People who think the distant past is a total nightmare tend to get spooked by such old fashioned language.  On the other hand people with the opposite inclination might be put off by my high sounding greek-based inventions. Since most things are both simple and complicated however, and since a big part of the intention behind these writings is to reconcile and transcend both the traditional and "modern"/postmodern, it doesn't really do to ignore either aspect of reality and use just one set of terms. I think I have done a little more than simply update some generalized version of traditional understanding, but I think I have done quite a bit less than discover something that is complete new and untranslatable into vernacular language. If that language bothers you because its not fancy enough, just focus on the fancy words and/or just the basic argument. If on the other hand my made-up words seem pretentious to you, reformulate the whole thing without them. 

Supplement:

Wholesthesia and Shared SelfNature (Shared Nature/Self)

The preceeding post was written for my old blog perhaps 10 years ago. The Concept of Shared SelfNature (which I briefly outlined in my last post about Healthy Culture in general was not yet born in my head then, so I want to use this space to try to relate the two Ideas. Most especially, I would like to explore the implication of the "Shared" part of the idea of Shared SelfNature (as well as the shared part of the idea of the "Shared Ego", a concept which I have also just barely introduced in the previous post.

Clearly "Wholesthesia" is "Local" Shared SelfNature since the presence of this "relative silence of health" can certainly be understood to be shared among everyone who is (usually unconsciously) experiencing it; that is, everyone who exists. The ground of our existance and health in other words, is in a  shared SelfNature that  is tied up with the existence of a "Shared Nature" of clean air and water the general health of Gaia, the Sun and everything generally to some degree anyway and so perhaps it can be understood to be a local experience reflecting a kind of Latent  and prexistant inner/outer harmony that we can chose to cultivate once we are conscious of it.The inner part of this harmony would be the "yin" or subjective part of Shared SelfNature  (the "Shared Mind" or "Shared Self") which would be the implicit subjectivity or consciousness inherent in everything.

Here its necessary to pause for an important clarification. The kind of implicit togetherness that exists between yin and yang also exists between Self and Nature but this kind of togetherness has, I think, been generally misunderstood. I think that a neglected implication of the familiar YinYang symbol, in which the white/yang dot  is placed in the black/yin area and visa versa, is a kind of "fractal" situation, in which, within that little white/yang dot, there is necessarily a little black/yin area and within that a white, and so forth indefinitely. If thats the case, then it is a pretty one-sided and kind violent dissociation to speak of "yin" by itself or "yang" by itself at all. There is no "pure" yin or "pure" yang but only relative yin/yang. Moreover  as implied in the title of the "book of changes", the relative amounts of these correlatives is understood to be constantly changing. I suppose one could suggest that much in the symbol by making the black and white dots (and the corresponding white and black areas around them) different but mutually compensating sizes, (thus suggesting dynamism). Perhaps this was done is some places,  but the usually static symbol is I think misleading. At any rate, whether or not the above is really the sense of the YinYang symbol, its certainly the sense in which I speak of Shared SelfNature/NatureSelf. This means that talking about the "Shared Self", however necessary, is very misleading in that it suggests a really impossible seperation of Self from Nature ("Consciousness" from the "Universe"). Here we are at the edge where language does some violence to the truth, (unless one is amenable to paradox-friendly logic such as the Logic of Coidentity, which I will introduce in another post.)

So much for that clarification.

The correspondence of wholesthesia to Shared SelfNature suggests a correspondence of "Anesthesia" to the "Shared Ego" and "Callesthesia" (good sense) to the Shared Soul (and  I mean both the term "Ego" and the term "Soul" in a kind of Phenomenological sense that includes "body" as well as "mind") . The Shared Ego and the Shared Soul must also be understood as somehow latent in all being, at least as a potential. The subtlty of this consideration has to do with the fact that the Shared Soul can be decribed as  the healing dynamic that connects the Shared Ego to shared Self Nature and to what I am calling "Spirit", thus manifesting a evolutionary rather than devolutionary dynamic.)


All of these thoughts lend themselves to a great many interesting conjectures. I'll mention just a few here.

For instance there seems to be an implied critique of the Hindu concept of the Self which is similar to that of certain forms of Buddhism; from our point of view there is no pure absolute "Self" but only a shared SelfNature. On the other hand, the idea of the Shared SelfNature and the Shared Soul and the Shared Ego seems to  challenge the conception of private individual merit or private individual enlightenment or private delusion. Even the idea of  being a Bodhisattva is challenged in that, though that idea does imply a kind of "everyone or no-one" conception of spiritual progress, this is presented as the choice of a supposedly superior individual, while the implication here is that there is no such choice and no such thing. At best one could say that the "Boddhisatva Spirit" (the Shared Soul) has been activated and the reality of Shared NatureSelf percieved by someone, at least for the moment. In general the very subtle, paradoxical, and dynamically phenomenological nature of this present notion challenges the rigid hierarchies of organized religion and spirituality, including those of Buddism and Hinduism. Presumably, (in the east at least) the rankings and merits emerged as an a tempt to motivate the ego to undertake the discipline of yoga or meditation practice, but this is a mistake I think, since action taken under the illusion of primary seperateness can only strengthen that illusion leading ultimately to delusional inflated egos. Unless the motive and understanding are cointegrative from the first, neither the process nor the result of practice will be. Indeed I think that the nature of the practice itself must change in order to reflect the present cointegrative understanding.


There are many more interesting and suggestive implications of this
understanding vis-a-vis not only Buddhism and Hinduism but all the known religions, including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, "Animism", as well as the religion we now call "Science". Whether or not one wants to see any of these as monolithic entities, I am willing to suggest that, on a case by case, historical as well as empirical basis, all of these cosmologies/cultures can be shown, in the light of this understanding and that of healthy culture generally, to have both their "piece of the lie and piece of the truth", like any individual culture or person. Given that we live in a sick culture, however, its reasonable to expect more often then not, the latter more actively manifest than the former.

Of course "Cointegrative Science" is no different. It presumably also has its "piece of the Lie and Piece of the Truth". The aspects of the sick culture that may be involved, (or may become involved) in the understanding that I have just shared are at the moment unclear to me. But I can say that Cointegrative Scientific "Truth" cannot be the static result of competitive argument, one-sided interrogation, or one-sided exposition, but is rather the living  co-created result of inclusive, collaborative, and cointegrative conference. This cointegrative conference (technically "Co-inference") is the "scientific method" of Cointegrative Science; a method aimed at inner/outer healing, Inner/Outer consensus, dynamic balance and communion rather then, "final Truth", victory or control. All that can be said then regarding a text such as this (or any others in any of my blogs),  is that it is meant as conversation opener; a preliminary sharing of views in the hopeful anticipation of a conference in which a (necessarily tentative) inner and outer consensus can be reached, as a basis for further collaboration.

Still, by ordinary criteria, what I have written above about the meaning of Life does seem to have both direct and circumstantial evidence; it "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck", etc..., and if I didn't regard "ordinary criteria" and purely one-sided verbal written exposition as such intrinsically "lame ducks" themselves, (in so far as being sufficient generating real Living Truth goes), it would certainly have my vote. As it stands I can only offer it as the most promising conversation opener I have ever come across (if I do say so myself).

--I-P
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Saturday, April 21, 2012

More on Healthy Culture



{Note: its probably a good idea at this point to back up a bit and elaborate on the idea of healthy culture itself, since cointegrative science is in a sense, only the cosmological aspect of this aspect of this more incompasing dynamic. What follows is an edited post from my older blog in which I tried to describe better what I mean by Culture and by Healthy and Sick Culture--I-P}

Culture

"There are really only two kinds of music; good music and bad music"--Louie Armstrong (paraphrased)


By "Culture" I mean Cosmology or WorldView, Identity (meaning who am I and who everyone else is in the context of the story that is the Cosmology), Ritual (by which I mean any repeated actions that reinforce the Cosmology and the Identity-Politics), and Infrastructure (by which I mean the specific way space-time is arranged and altered so as to support and facilitate the Cosmology, Identity, and Ritual).

Its worth noting that such a 4-fold conception of culture as outlined above can apply as much to individuals as to groups to the extent that meaningful distinctions can be made between, for example, my own cosmology, identity-politics, rituals, and infrastructure and that of another individual, even within the context of the greater similarities of culture that we might share.

On the other hand, the conception of culture I am offering here is normative, as the phrases "Healthy Culture" and "Sick Culture" imply. The Idea is that the two main types of culture (these are in some sense "Ideal Types"), are a Culture of Apartness and a Culture of Togetherness.

In a Culture of Apartness Cosmologies and Logics (Logic is understood here as part of the Cosmology) of exclusion and dissociation are priviledged, factional Identity-Politics of seperation and alienation correspond with the cosmology, Rituals of Inner and Out dissociation and exclusion support the Cosmology and Identity-Politics and the fragmented and dissociated infrastructures facilitate the all of the above.

In a Culture of Togetherness on the contrary,  a Cosmology and Logic of inclusion and living wholeness is priviledged, the prevailing Identity politics is an inclusive "Us-and-Us" identity-politcs rather than an exclusive "us-and-them" and all of this is supported by conscious rituals and Infrastructure.

Note that the theory of Cointegrative Science and its "Co-inferential" Logic is itself meant to describe the (always tentative) content of the Cosmology of Healthy Culture, so I am not making any pretense of the possibility of neutrality in any of these ideas. Such a pretense would represent a presumptive dissociation of Fact and Value which (if viewed as primary) would only mark the idea as itself part of Sick Culture and the cosmology of dissociation.

Now there is a sense in which in reality every culture, say the culture of the Catholic Church at a given time and place or of Jazz musicians in New York or of a given individual living  in Cincinnati Ohio in 2012, are all combinations of both sick and healthy culture even if the cosmology of togetherness involved is only latent and unconcious. (I merely assert these things now I will show them later). Yet at the same time, though both kinds of culture are present in any actual situation, it is nevertheless the case that one form of culture is primary at any given time, so that the culture of apartness is either busy excluding and repressing the culture of togetherness or the culture of Togetherness is busy acknowledging and healing the culture of Apartness within it. 

This conception of Culture is not exactly meant to be strictly anthropological and, since the Cointegrative Cosmology involves things like Cosmology, Identity, Ritual and Infrastructure, at least three of which seem to apply solely to human beings, this of course is very odd but like much else will be explained later as a circumstance flowing naturally from the normative assumptions behind the whole idea of Healthy Culture.

These and other explicitly normative assumptions implicitly as well as explicitly challenge the “dominant culture” as transmitted through various kinds of education. Education is the transmission of culture, and if there is something fundamentally wrong with your culture than there is likely to be something fundamentally wrong with your education, including your education about culture. At the moment the dominant culture seems to be presenting a kind of dichotomy between conservative ethnocentrism and liberal or progressive multiculturalism as the terms of the debate. But to take sides in this debate is already to surrender to the dominant cultures way of thinking about and discussing the issue. It is to make the (in my opinion) ethnocentric presumption that the dominant cultures treatment of, and approach to, the whole subject is the correct or best one. If that were so one would have only to take one or another of the offered positions on the the nature of culture and fight it out—kind of like with the party system

This is the kind of situation that one can only be escaped through what amounts to creativity and insight rather than purely rational or reactionary response. It requires thinking outside the box of the whole dominant paradigm. My creative response is to propose the above different way of thinking about both culture as an aspect of an equally different way of thinking about everything else,so that what you are reading is meant to be both a description, and a gesture of Healthy Culture.

Next I want to treat in a little more detail each of the 4 aspects of Culture I have listed above, focusing for the most part on the Healthy variant though this will unavoidably involve making comparisons to current unhealthy practice. Future Posts will go into each of these, and much else in much more Detail. 

Cosmology

Of Course the Cosmology of Togetherness, the general world-view and fundamental cognitive orientation of Healthy Culture is some version or other of Cointegrative Science and its Logic of Cointegrative Coinference, Or ,put another way, Cointegrative Science and Logic are meant to be the "modern" version of that perennial, primal, and universally human world-view that assumes, as a starting place for reason, the fundamental Togetherness of Subject and Object, of self and other, of the vertical and the horizontal of the above and the below, and even of Togetherness and Apartness.

Such a cosmology of Togetherness, which I want to repeat, also implies and correspondingly nonalienated form of Logic and discourse,  is not, in a healthy culture, segregated from the Identity, the Ritual, and the Infrastructure of which it is such an integral part, but rather is transmitted with them as a part of a healthy Education (and by "Education" I mean exactly the "Transmission of Culture across generations", whether sick or healthy; a transmission inclusive of Cosmology, Identity, Ritual, and Infrastructure).

The absence of such a conscious Cosmology and Logic of Togetherness necessarily leaves us with an unconscious cosmology and Logic of Apart-ness which puts the accent on alienation and estrangement inwardly and outwardly and between the inner and the outer themselves. This kind of cosmology and "cosmologic"--and the modern scientific cosmology is certainly of this kind for the most part, as are many ancient ones--is inherently rigid and dissociated in that the accent on apartness is not a completely optional, volitional choice that can be reversed at will but rather something stemming from unconsciousness,  historical and biographical trauma, and lack of experience of any alternative. One could say that the now dominant Cosmology of Apartness, and the Culture of Apartness of which it is a cardinal aspect, constitute a kind of culmination or confluence of the global Cultural erosion which we ordinarily describe as world history.

Of course, like I said, it is not so simple as that. Healthy Culture and Sick Culture always coexist within any actual culture, so that calling a culture "sick" means that sick culture is primary in it for the time being, so that there is general denial and suppression real consciousness of its own pathology, while a healthy culture is, for the time being, acknowledging and engaging its core sickness in a progressive and evolutionary way. Thus, every culture, like every individual-person, has both its ""Piece of the Lie" and its "piece of the Truth" and invidious comparisons between cultures are not in order.

Various aspects of Contegrative Cosmology include "Life-Logic" ( or "Cointegrative Coinference", the Coordinating Cognitive Archetypes and Moral Compass that I call the Spirit Matrix, the concepts of Dysmutuality, Wholesthesia, Cointegrative Virtue, Inner Consensus, Consensuality, and very many others. I will post a fairly extensive glossary of Cointegrative terms and concepts

Identity 
 
The situation with Identity is of course the same as that with culture. The framing of the terms of the debate—the very creation of both the Debate and its terms by the dominant culture seems to me unquestioningly accepted by those in its thrall. Our culture tells us our history in terms of the competition between various factions ("us’s" and "thems") between which we are then obliged to choose and take sides. The dynamic is the same whether the antagonists are described as male and female, black and white, 1st world and 3rd world, north and south. And to say, for example, that it was the northern white European males that brought about and maintain this fragmented and factional way of looking at things, is only to assume the very thing that is at issue and betray the imprint of the dominant fragmented cosmology and its related myths of both Identity and causality; it reveals one as already under the spell of the dominant culture, having made a primary Identification in its terms and in its spirit.

The Factionalisms of Race, Sex, Nationality, Profession, Religion, and other identity politics in their negative manifestations are thus wholly a symptoms of the dominant Culture of Apart-ness and of our compliance with it in accepting such factional Identities as primary. The creative response to such fragmentation is again, not simply to take sides in the endless warfare that our culture wants us to understand as our essential history, so that we each dutifully wear (sometimes exchanging) the identity uniforms that fate, physiology, and "education" seem to have given us. A creative adaptation to the array of roles and identities that the dominant sick culture foists upon us is possible and in this case in is embodied in the Identity (actually the Coidentity) of Individual-Personhood.

This identity-politics, (described in detail in a previous post) is not factional at all. Everyone is an Individual-Person by the mere fact of their existence; by their very existence everyone has a “Familial’ association (even if only with his or her self and immediate environment. Everyone is likewise somebody’s Neighbor, somebody’s fellow “Citizen-of-the-World”, everyone has a subjectivity (psyche or soul) with some relationship to ultimate things. And, what is distinguishable from all this, everyone has an inimitable authentic individuality that is manifest to some degree in any given gesture or act. To affirm Individual-Personhood as ones primary identity then is in some sense to assert something obvious (at least when pointed out) and perhaps even commonplace.

But to affirm individual-Personhood as ones primary Identity is also, in the context of Healthy Culture, to consciously accept the right/responsibility of Coming-Together for Consensus in the inner and outer venues it describes. For this inner-and-outer coming-together is what real Health and real Living means. Real Living, as opposed to the unconscious, fear-based, surviving imposed by the dominant culture, happens when we engage in the Healthy Personal Culture of inner-and-outer togetherness, when we proactively and ritually affirm the primacy of the common Theme of Individual-living-Personhood, seeing Gender, Race, and other roles and identities as subordinate variations on this Theme at best, adjectives to this main noun (adverbs to this main verb). Real Living happens when I am being myself, becoming ever more myself, but in conscious and responsible relationship with others.

The opposite of an Individual-Person is a Phony-Alien (or as I prefer to say, and Alienated Phony, and this I also claim to be (though I guess not so loudly).  Cultivating Individual-Personhood (trying to manifest Individual-Personhood is more or less the same thing as being in a kind of Alienated Phonies Anonymous group and the two kind of identities are really just two sides of the same identity-politics...

In is important to introduce here the related concept of Shared SelfNature or NatureSelf that is a kind of Identity-Politics implicit (to a certain extent in the cointegrative assumption of the fundamental togetherness of the subjective and objective worlds and of fundamental Togetherness generally. Its easy to substitute the word Nature for the "objective world" and to not that nature is intrinsically shared, our own bodies being the part of this shared nature that we are and experience most directly. The Idea of The Shared Self mirrors this understanding in terms of a Subjective experience considered to be ontologic equal and coimplicated with Objective Experience (The fundamental togetherness and mutual definition of the inner and outer, the subjective and objective is after all, the primary datum of experience, is arguably experience itself. Thus the theory is that, just as the individual body is the part of shared nature that we are most directly, so the individual mind it the part of the Shared Mind (or the Shared Self) the we experience most directly. Moreover, just as the dissociation of Mind and Body is not warranted in the context of healthy culture, (hence the expressions like "Mind-Body" and "Body-Mind"), so this separation is not warranted between Shared Nature and Shared Self; hence the concept of SelfNature or NatureSelf. The identity of the "Shared Ego" has the same relationship to Shared SelfNature as that of the Alienated Phony has to the Individual-Person. This will all be explained later.

Finally the concepts of Identity mentioned here are derive from the "Law of Coidentity" which forms a part of the Conferencial ("Co-inferential") Logic of Cointegrative Science which I only just mentioned above in the Cosmology Section of this post. A future post on this topic is forthcoming.

Ritual

Just as in the case of Cosmology, we can distinguish Rituals of inner and outer Togetherness and Rituals of inner and outer separation or Apart-ness ( Again, By “rituals”, I mean repeated action or patterns of behavior in individuals and groups related to and reinforcing a consciously or unconsciously shared cosmology).

By "Rituals of Apart-ness" I mean acts of numbing and of dissociation that separate us from aspects of our own wholeness and relatedness. Some behaviors dissociate us primarily from our own bodies, such as the regular consumption of drugs and overly processed food for example. Others primarily separate us from our hearts--such as the repeated practice of vivisection in certain university laboratories, or of hours of bureaucratic office work. Some seem primarily to separate us from our minds or souls, like watching television often does. And by "Rituals of Apart-ness" I also mean rituals that isolate and inhibit us from coming together outwardly, with others, in meetings in different venues. These include such habits as that of using private transportation, or of simply always being busy. Many of these rituals require or are supported by their own technological and/or legal infrastructure. And all of them are inter-connected as “syn-entropic” rituals within a culture of inner and outer apart-ness. By this I mean that rituals of outer apart-ness reinforce and even imply rituals of inner apart-ness and visa versa.

As rituals of inner and outer Togetherness, I can sight the vision quest and various rituals of initiation. I can also sight things like “co-counseling”, Open Space Technology, or healthy Tantra,Kerreza,  Breema, Chi Gung, Yoga, Elimination Timing, Alexander Technique, Gormans, Learning Methods, Consensus Facilitation,  as, if not, in my view quite achieving really healing Togetherness, at least have potential for this kind of thing though at present tthe truly healing potential of such practices is for the most part lost in its translation into the dominant socioeconomic idiom of sick culture. These kinds of things at their best, informed by a Healthy Cosmology and Identity Politics and supported by Healthy Infrastructure, could be examples of real community and communion wherein the individuals come together in a way that encourages both inner as well as outer consensus. Eating mostly unprocessed and natural foods together, in a conscious way can foster both inner and outer communion and is not like the false communion of coming-together outwardly around substances that numb and estrange us from ourselves inwardly. Other rituals of Togetherness include the Personhood ritual and, the Life-Dance Party, the Four-fold Seasons Breath, Cointegrative Coinference, The Vision Dance, the Life-Dance Walk, The Welcoming Gesture and various other experimental practices (the word "dance" in the name of many of the rituals is basically metaphorical) . These rituals constitute experiments in Cointegrative Science and they will be described primarily in my other blog Healthy Culture; (Lifedancelog.blogspot.com).


Infrastructure

By "Infrastructure" I basically mean everything relate to how the way space-time is arranged so as to support either sick or healthy culture. This includes things like art, technology, architecture, zoning, as well as intellectuals tools like the calender and the alphabet. Like the other three aspects of Culture, the infrastructure is continuous with and shades into each of the other aspects so that it can really only be relatively distinquished. My own preoccupations in the context of infrastructure are presently centered around what we now call agriculture and architecture as well as the infrastructure relavent to various experiments in cointegrative economics and politics.

Currently I like to think in terms of transitioning from "infrastructures of Control" to "infrastructures of Communion" (what I mean really is that there is a continuum between Control and Communion generally and that the proper order of things it that the former should exist only to the extent that it can supports and enable the latter). Anyway, various ideas and examples of what I mean will be shared in forthcoming posts. Here I will just list some original theories and experiments in cointegrative science as well as some already existing consepts and structures (structures  that, perhaps with a little tweaking, seem to assimilable as part of Healthy Infrastructure.

Among the former I can mention "The Tree of Life" conception of optimal human demographics, the plan and outline WildWard Farm as a part of that, The Check-in Tray and similar entities, Experimental Calenders, the design of Life-Fair Grounds and forms of Cointegrative Media among other things. As for the latter, I think both the Natural Farm of Masenobo Fukuoka, and indigenous technologies speak of communion rather than control based way of relating to the land,  I also think there is a great deal that is explicit and latent in the work of Christopher Alexander and also in Galen Crantz that is relevant to the idea of cointegrative architecture and infrastructure, though again this is at least equally so for very many forms of indigenous and traditional architecture.

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Conclusion

To reiterate:

This way of thinking about  Culture generally avoids the pitfalls of ethnocentrism on the one hand and those of a nihilistic cultural relativity on the other. But it only avoids a kind of simplistic dualism if its remembered that the two kinds of ritual process it describes are always Both present in any real culture or individual, that the essential thing that distinguishes a relatively healthy ritual from an unhealthy one is whether Conscious, healthy rituals are acknowledging, integrating, and healing the unconscious ones or not, and that one kind of ritual can change into the other with surprising ease as inner and outer circumstances change.

Having said this, it is still true that when and where the cultural soil-building of conscious healthy ritual is not happening then the cultural erosion of unconscious ritual is. And, though the distinction might still be seen as a dualism, it is a dynamic and sophisticated, rather than a simplistic and rigid dualism because it posits a dynamic but potentially unstable balance that can always reverse itself in either direction (both in collectively and in individuals) and so inherently advises neither complacency nor despair. In fact, the presence of either of these attitudes is a good sign that the balance is already shifting to the side of sickness and disintegration. This is not only the case for ritual but for all aspects of culture

The problem that all this raises then is the extent to which we, you and I, collectively and individually still primarily practice an unhealthy alienated and phony culture that does not foster, and makes it difficult to even conceive of, the dance of inner/outer coming-together that is consistent with true healing. It is the extent to which we primarily practice and learn the concepts and rituals of fear, alienation, anesthetization, and inner and outer dissociation that constitute our most active cultural heritage. We are all already initiated into the identities, rituals, and the cosmology of apart-ness and consciously and unconsciously proceed to likewise initiate the next generation. In our society the “conscious” initiation is called formal education and the unconscious one would, I suppose, simply be called "growing up".

Because of all this, the overwhelming tendency of people and organizations trying to manifest a really different kind of culture is a kind cultural backsliding (perhaps it really a kind of Post-system stress disorder) wherein supposedly new and radical institutions and practices are created which really just recreate with unimportant variations the very culture to which they aspire to transform. I can’t think of any political movement other than the (as yet unmanifest) one I’ve just described that is an exception to this. I think what all this means for activists, progressives and anyone who would be a part of a transformative and healing culture is that the co-creation of healthy culture means the creation and  practice of healthy culture; the practice of rituals of inner-and-outer coming-together, on the part of its members as individuals and as groups that affirm Healthy Cosmology, Healthy Identity, and Healthy Infrastructure. And it means establishing institutions or associations that encourage that practice. This means that within those groups and individuals, Rituals, Identities, Cosmologies and Infrastructures of inner/outer Togetherness need to be established and privileged while the present rituals and identities of Apart-ness--of dissociation--inwardly and outwardly, need to be acknowledged, understood, engaged, and progressively healed.

Ultimately, no real cultural alternative will exist within the so-called progressive or radical movements if the individuals in them do not own up to our own rituals and identities of inner and out apart-ness and if we are not sincerely trying to befriend or world, each other and ourselves (and our "enemies") through our own Rituals, Identities, and Cosmology, of inner and outer Togetherness. This, of course, means subordinating the “Us-and-them” meme that so effectively distracts us from our own “shit” and our own compromisedness, and that is so central to the culture of Apart-ness. It means, by beginning the process of fully understanding and acknowledging our own individual and collective wounds, inaugurating an individual as well as group in the cointegrative project of catalyzing our own healing together-with that of other people and the world in an affirmation of inherent mutuality. And It means confronting in the context of a Healthy Cultural Pilot Project our education in the current culture of Apart-ness, the Identities, concepts, Cosmology, and practices that we have internalized and that undermine our attempts to embrace (and sometimes to even conceive of) truly Healthy Culture.

Such education would be replaced by a cosmology and practice that facilitates the integration ones own healing with that of other people and the world. It would be a cosmology and practice that assumes the primacy of Togetherness and so is capable of fostering its nurturing and progressive manifestation as culture, Identity and Ritual. Of course I call this cosmology and Practice Cointegrative Science and the Dance of Living Individual Personhood and Living Friendship, which I am calling the Life-Dance is the primary ritual experiment of this science. You are welcome to join me in these experiments in this Dance, and Indeed this, all of the above, and the whole of these two weblogs, only justifies itself as a elaborate form of Individual-Personal Invitation to a Life-Dance, a of Healthy, Culture, Living-Friendship, and Goodwill. For more information about the Healthy Culture, the Life-Dance and Integral Science, e-mail me at individualperson1@gmail.com
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Monday, March 12, 2012

More on the Cointegrative


{Note: Here is a further introduction to the “Cointegrative” concept. It was written for a online group before I hand coined that word (“I used the word “integrative” for a while), but I have gone through and updated the wording as well as making a few other changes and additions--I-P}

I want to say something, as conversation opener, about Motivation and Intention

In Healthy Culture (and in
Cointegrative Science, the name I am giving to the part of healthy Culture that deals more or less with the mind, with Cosmology, Logic, Meaning etc..) there is the assumption of the primary togetherness of Subject and Object, of Inner and Outer, of Self and World. This assumption of fundamental togetherness has some surprising implications since it actually suggests that Both the idea of changing the world first and then perhaps changing oneself (the "political" idea) as well as the other Idea of first changing oneself and then the world (the "spiritual" idea) are both misconceived objectives. From the point of view of fundamental togetherness, it is only possible to change and heal the inner and the outer together, at the same time; because that is the fundamental way they exist at all.

What this means in practice is that,in taking the political idea as primary, the goals of one-sidedly outward activism will inherently be distorted, and sabotaged by the degree to which the unattended inner wounds and fear-based inner issues are distorting the political diagnosis and action. In such a case the impulse to such one-sided extroversion can be understood as something motivated by those very ignored inner issues themselves as a way of self protection, the ego being, after all, nothing if not one-sided. But the nemesis to the fear-based hubris implied in such one-sided activism can only be the ultimate failure of an agenda that was misconceived and falsely motivated from the start (though unfortunately none of this might ever be admitted by those involved).

This is because, even considering that someone or some group has success outwardly, and acquires some degree of power or influence, its not really that person who even has the power its the persons “shit”,( their egoic sick culture) that has it because, (owning to being unacknowledged and/or neglected) its the shit that “has” the person who has the power. This phenomenon is the source of all the corruption that makes whatever was genuine and healthy in seemingly well meaning political movements unsustainable over time and that assures some eventual reversion to a variation on the theme of the original status quo of sick culture (Consider the current state of South Africa after Mandela or modern India after Gandhi--to mention two of the most heart breaking aftermaths of political/social "success" ) There can be no sustainable justice, socially or ecologically without dealing with ones shit both inwardly and outwardly as the primary motivating intention behind any action.

This is essentially because Justice is basically a dynamic in which everybody is dealing with their own inner and outer shit (their own version of our shared, collective shit). When I am not acknowledging and dealing with my sick culture somebody else has to deal with it (as well as dealing with their own if they are trying to be in recovery) and this usually proves to be too much, so that what happens is that the shit get passed down stream literally and figuratively with the ultimate result that Gaia ends up having to deal with it (and with us). Given the fact (well, my belief) that "dealing with ones shit" (the positive way to say this would be something like "learning, growing and maturing as an Individual-Person") is really the whole point of our being in the world, and so the only source of real Meaning and Joy, the current situation it not only unjust, but, like all evil, really really Stupid.

There might still be an objection that "Their" shit is so much worse that "Ours" as to belie any comparison, so that what I am saying here is just ridiculous. There are many replies to this. One is that it seems to me that all the sick culture works together; that it is "synentropic" (if you will excuse a neologism); how would Hitler have faired for example if every body in Germany and elsewhere were concientiously dealing with their sick culture? Obviously the "cultural immune system" must have be very weak to succumb to such simplistic rhetoric. In such a case the untreated and seemingly harmless forms of sick culture in the people at large; forms of sick culture like, naiveté, nationalism, genderism, conformity, etc all worked together "synentropically" to produce the war and the Holocaust.  Connected with this idea is the understanding that there is "Sick-Culture of Omission" as well as "Sick Culture of Commission", and that the former, though relatively invisible contributes directly to the latter and is arguably even more important.

Having, I think been pretty persuasive about the one-sided outward orientations, I do not want to be misleading and vindicate equally onesided "inwardness". Exposing the false dichotomy of the usual attitude equally implies that the other form of onesideness; the illusion that political quietism or private "healing" is really even possible let alone Spiritual, is just as often an equally fear-based retreat from the truth; a "crime of omission" against the world and one of commission (essentially Fraud) against ourselves. There is no way of avoiding being implicated in the destruction of the world around us and I am not sure there is any good reason for wanting to be unless such personal "innocence" would be efficacious in stopping it from happening. It needs once and for all to be realized that dissociated "private", and comodifiable conceptions of "Health and Spirituality" (such as proliferate both in mainstream and alternative new age medicine and culture) represent both Sick conceptions of Health and Spiritless conceptions of Spirituality.  


Of course I don't mean here to advocate some integration of the blaming, one-sided, phony sort of politics prevalent in our sick culture as a remedy for this quietistic "Spiritual" illusion; two forms of one-sidedness do not equal balance anymore than sticking ones head in the oven and ones feet in the freezer amount to a temperate and balanced body temperature. Simply alternating the freezer and the oven doesn't make sense either since in the case that one tries to alternate the "spiritual" with the "political", the false separation of the two cannot but lead to situations in which, just when ones attention should be 90% focused on oneself and ones own shit, it is focused to that degree on the shit of world, and visa versa; just when I should be emphasizing some relatively civil or local responsibility implying a more extroverted orientation, fear will distract the attention toward some perfectionistic introverted search for perfect “self-mastery” or something...the ego, monkey-mind, or what ever you want to call it, really is just like that...

From this point of view then, the whole the issue needs to be become something like: "what gesture can I make both in this moment and in the future,
to catalyze my own healing together-with that of others and the world?". On might also phrase the issue as how can I be "Soulfully Political" and "Politically Spiritual" (I actually prefer the word "soulful" in this context, since being "Spiritual" has too much of an air of having "arrived", which to me is basically laughable for anyone who is still hanging around in this dimension). Still another take on the problem would be how to be "Political" without being "Phony" and how to be "Spiritual" or "Soulful" with out being alienated and irresponsible, or (put positively) how to move toward an authentic and responsible Individual-Personhood?
 

To call such an intention (the intention to effect and realize both Inner and Outer healing), an "objective" would be misleading, since the idea of an Objective implies a fundamental separation--if not necessarily of the subject from the "object" (the inner from the outer)--at least of the future from the present, and past (and eternity too for that matter). To call it "Integrative", as I have done in the past still seems too onesided and doesn't imply the paradoxical inner/outer essence of the intention. So instead of talking about the above mentioned intention as an objective or an integrative, I call it a "Cointegrative" (pronounced "Co-in-TEG-ra-tive").

Since intentions of inner/outer healing (and I am asserting that this is what one should mean by having truly "Good" Intentions) naturally imply an admission of inner as well as outer sickness, being involved in Cointegrative Science and Healthy Culture, means being involved in an ongoing process of experiment, hypothesis and theory regarding how best to understand and "treat" ones own sickness in terms of the tentatively normative assumptions of healthy culture. Of course this must involve some idea (at least a theory) of ones own subjective individuality, including ones "shit" and Phoniness; ones own subjective sick culture. It also means some idea as well about how that fits into and the outer sick culture that is around one, this then implying some idea of how to act so as to increasingly challenge both these things in the same gesture (which would then be the experiment).

Cointegrative Scientists (Individual-Persons involved in the experimental “cultural pilot project” of healthy culture) are thus also Recovering Alienated-Phonies ("Alienation" being the opposite of "Personhood" a "Phoniness" being the Opposite of authentic "Individuality"), and are trying to sustain a Cointegrative intention by definition. But though its true that, in some ways, the overall outline of this situation is the same for everyone so involved, the practical, Individual details of the recovery process is something that must take into account the details of each individual-persons inner and outer situation and story, and so deal also the variations on the common theme of healing sick culture inwardly and outwardly together.

For example, how do I as a Myers-Briggs INTJ, as an enneagram 5, (I could add many other ways of tentatively understanding and talking about my subjective situation) successfully challenge my tendency to withdrawal and, judge--and conceal
judgment, (all in inappropriate and unhealthy ways), how do I challenge this IN SUCH A WAY THAT the outer world is also maximally moved toward Healthy Culture? My whole life (at least the deliberate intentional part) is my reply, my experiment, regarding that question. This post itself is part of that experiment for me. For by sharing this blog, I hope that I am making a gesture toward moving out of enneagram 5-like secrecy, and seclusion in a way that will hopefully lead me towards a somewhat more 8-like role in the world generally, which (if my assessment of my own personality and Cointegrative path has not itself been distorted by my own sick culture) seems to be the path of healing for me.

For obvious reasons, having a
Cointegrative is not something that is particularly flattering to the competitive, one-sided ego any more the growth and maturity of any kind are. Self-righteously focusing on what one thinks of as ones "piece of the Truth" and rather then ones "piece of the Lie" is certainly more fun at least superficially. All the bonding and blaming (you might even call it “Blame-Bonding”) of what is normally called “Solidarity” is involved in such an attitude. And even the self-deprecation, and shame/guilt of focusing only on ones "piece of the Lie" (with the guru or the psychiatrist) seems to be preferable (i suppose because it feels more secure and simple) than the more dynamic, paradoxical attitude that having a cointegrative intention and understanding involves. But such preferences are born only from inexperience (and from too much experience of unhealthy rigid, either/or thinking and feeling) ; it is just the presence of both the Lie and the Truth in all of us, in ever changing proportions, each one of the two manifesting unexpectedly to different degrees at different times, that make us all essentially equal and (when acknowledged) capable of a kind of real Friendship, Compassion and Togetherness that would not be possible otherwise.

But I want to say more about solidarity since I know that the lack of solidarity evinced by the political Left is often seen as the main reason for its ineffectiveness against the more organized Right wing. What I have said already implies that I think such factional solidarity cannot produce a sustainable society because it separates acknowledging and dealing with shared individual and collective inner shit from acknowledging and dealing with shared outer shit (really of acknowledging the existence of shared outer shit). What I want to say now (and in future posts) is that it is not only unsustainable but unnecessary. A healthy "Cultural Twelve Step Program”, in which we help each other in recovering from Alienated-Phoniness will necessarily involve actively helping each other live up to both our inner and outer (“vertical” and “horizontal”) responsibilities as Individual-Persons and in a way that will challenge and educate the dominant culture like nothing else will. But this is something I will show in a future post.

Before I close , I do want to mention that the Cointegrative Intention and understanding I am describing here is the centerpiece of a kind of “Coinferential” (Conferential) Logic and discourse which is part of the cosmology and ritual of Healthy Culture. Suffice to say here that the intention behind any form of discourse, Logical or otherwise, in large part determines its form and constitution, and that the dominant Logic and discourse is unconsciously formed by its alienated and exclusive intention and understanding. The kind of Cointegratively Conferential logic and discourse I intend to describe proceeds from different, non-alienated assumptions, understandings and intentions, and represents a collaborative rather than competitive or collusive way of talking, thinking, and being that will certainly play its part in any experimental ritual of healthy culture. But again, more of this in a future post.
For now, I want all of the above to serve as prolog to is the question of what you think the details of your own Cointegrative may be. In the light of what you know and believe about healthy Culture, how do you think you might further your own healing together with my own, And that of the world outside of us? How can we increasingly befriend (listen to, support, consider and challenge) each other, ourselves and the world in such a way that healing will come from it? Can participation in this group even lead to that?

Since, we don’t really even know each other much yet even virtually, I don’t necessarily expect any answers at the moment (although I would appreciate comments and questions). For now I just want to explain this idea of the Cointegrative as my intention and motivation for starting this tribe and ask if you think you could share in it--if only experimentally.

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